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JuttaF
#1 Posted : Tuesday, February 7, 2006 12:17:18 AM
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We just received the saddening news that the Berchtesgadener Hof Hotel is being demolished as we speak. The Wahlheim was first, then the main building as well as General McNair.


What a crying shame to let this beautiful and historic building sit there and rot., just to have an excuse to tear it down. Today I am not only mourning the loss of my childhood home but also a link to many wonderful memories.


For those of you who have opinions about this here is the email address to the Berchtesgadener Anzeiger's letter to the editor: redaktion@ berchtesgadener- anzeiger.de


Jutta Fournier (Schuster)
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JAMES CAREY
#2 Posted : Wednesday, August 2, 2006 4:38:23 PM
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Even in Bavaria exists an extreme left wing bunch of TREE HUGGERS.


 


 


Here is the extract from the Berchtesgaden News:


 


 







Dem »Hof« geht es an den Kragen






Berchtesgaden: (29. Juli 2006) Das Gesicht des westlichen Berchtesgadener Ortseingangs wird sich in den nächs-
ten Wochen nachhaltig verändern. Nach der Entkernung des »Berchtesgadener Hofs« begann die Leipziger Spezialfirma Weise in diesen Tagen mit den Abbrucharbeiten. Zunächst wird das Haus »Wahlheim« dem Erdboden gleich gemacht. Denn dessen Trümmer sollen dann als Rampe dienen, damit die Bagger die obersten Stockwerke des benachbarten »Berchtesgadener Hofs« erreichen können.



 








  


Die Trümmer des abgerissenen »Wahlheims« werden noch nicht abtransportiert. Sie sollen den Baggern als Rampe dienen, um die obersten Stockwerke des »Berchtesgadener Hofs« erreichen zu können.



»Die Schadstoffbeseitigung im Hof und im Wahlheim ist abgeschlossen«, sagt Ulli Brendel von der Nationalparkverwaltung. Der Biologe erfüllt in puncto »Haus der Berge« die Schnittstellenfunktion zwischen Nationalparkverwaltung und Staatlichem Bauamt Traunstein. Die derzeit noch vor dem Gebäude stehenden weißen Säcke mit Sondermüll werden in Kürze abgeholt. Verschiedenes Material aus dem Gebäudeinneren wie Untersberger Marmor und größere Fundamentsteine sollen einer Wiederverwendung zugeführt werden. Erhalten wird auch die Mauer zur Gmundbergstraße hin. Abreißen will man in jedem Fall auch den Aufbau auf den Garagen. Was mit den Garagen selbst geschieht, ist derzeit noch ungewiss.
Während Haus »Wahlheim« und »Berchtesgadener Hof« in diesen und den nächsten Tagen nach und nach verschwinden werden, läuft im benachbarten Hotel »McNair« noch die Entkernung. Doch auch dieses Gebäude wird anschließend dem Erdboden gleich gemacht. »Stichtag ist der 29. August«, sagt Ulli Brendel. Bis zu diesem Tag sollen die Abbrucharbeiten nach der Auflage der Marktgemeinde Berchtesgaden abgeschlossen sein. Brendel macht klar, dass die Firma deshalb seit dem ersten Tag unter Druck steht. »Der Zeitplan ist sehr eng«.
Überwacht werden die Abbrucharbeiten vom Institut für Umweltgeologie und Altlasten in Nürnberg, einer zur Landesgewerbeanstalt (LGA) Bayern gehörenden GmbH, im Auftrag des Staatlichen Bauamts. Jeden Mittwoch kommt man zu einer Baustellenbesprechung zusammen, in deren Rahmen auch die Wünsche und Anregungen der Bevölkerung behandelt werden. So rückte man auf eine Anregung hin kürzlich den Bauzaun entlang der Staatsstraße etwas weiter in Gebäuderichtung, damit Personen mit Kinderwägen wieder problemlos passieren können. Wert legt man bei den Abbrucharbeiten auch darauf, dass der alte Baumbestand erhalten wird. Baugitter sollen die Bäume vor Beschädigung schützen. Bald soll es auch mit den Planungen zum »Haus der Berge« weitergehen. »Es ist noch unklar, ob es eine Ausschreibung oder einen Architektenwettbewerb für die Umsetzung der von Vereinen und Verbänden eingebrachten Ideen geben wird«, fasst Ulli Brendel zusammen. Nach derzeitigem Stand hält Brendel einen Architektenwettbewerb für wahrscheinlich. Ulli Kastner


 
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JuttaF
#3 Posted : Wednesday, August 2, 2006 6:07:07 PM
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I hear you, James!


What got me in that article is how they wrote about demolishing the Wahlheim and using the rubbles as a ramp to reach the top part of the main hotel BUT they made sure all the trees were protected...


What has become of Germany? It is truly a  tragedy! My Dad always said that Germany will go down the drain if the socialist government reaches majority.....unfortunately that happened. The new chancellor seems to be better. But as it goes for the Hof, the Alpine Inn, and the Walker Hotel...too little too late.


Truly a sad time for us who so loved those historic buildings!


Thanks for all your replies. I don't feel so alone in my sorrow.


Jutta Fournier (Schuster)


 
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JuttaF
#4 Posted : Thursday, August 3, 2006 1:05:33 AM
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Will do, Dave. Just give me a few days and I'll get it accomplished and will post it here.


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#5 Posted : Thursday, August 3, 2006 1:05:33 AM
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Will do, Dave. Just give me a few days and I'll get it accomplished and will post it here.


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#6 Posted : Wednesday, August 9, 2006 8:21:08 PM
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Just heard that the company that started the Hof demolition went bankrupt and is out of business. So, albeit temporarily, the destruction of the main buildimg has been halted. Perhaps there is a “higher power” out there working in our favor...one can only hope.


 
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#7 Posted : Thursday, August 10, 2006 11:24:40 PM
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This is truly sad. I was able to go back in 2002 and show my two children where one of the hotels was that I had worked in. They both had asked why they would let it go to waste(they had seen old pictures of it).


Amazing that after it closed no one bought it and brought it back to it's glory.


As I was standing in the ruins of the General Walker I could not believe all the money the military had used just a few years earlier renovating the place. With all the preserve the history and old buildings buffs,you would think somewhere a millonair would have been interested in the property and saving it.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:08:23 AM
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Hi Bill!


Yes it is more than a crying shame what has happened....a SCHANDE! I hate to even return home and see the gaping hole that once was my beloved childhood home..but you are correct, NOBODY can erase those memories...but I am curious..you were running through the halls “half naked”?


Where did you work? Do I know you? Sorry I don't remember names but am pretty good w/faces.


Drop me a note. My personal email is Lyza13@aol.com


Pfueat Di


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#9 Posted : Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:37:23 AM
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It saddens my heart, that was where I first lived and worked for AFRC in Germany.  So many  memories.  My sister in law's family lives in B'gaden and  I had always thought I'd go back.  Guess I didn't do that soon enough.  Truly a sad day.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:04:11 AM
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Bill, we must have know each other. I transferred from Garmisch to Berchtesgaden in 89 and was there until the summer of 93. Where are you at in VA? I have been living in Norfolk the past two years....Kelly Connors
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:04:53 AM
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Bill, we must have known each other. I transferred from Garmisch to Berchtesgaden in 89 and was there until the summer of 93. Where are you at in VA? I have been living in Norfolk the past two years....Kelly Connors
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:11:52 AM
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Kelly! If youwwere in B'aden during this time I am sure we kow each other


Jutta (Schuster) Fournier


 
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Just a  brief  reply....any  chance that someone    kind  enough  to translate  the   German announcement into English,  so  we  can morn  in two  languages.


Thanks


Dave
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Jutta;


Servus und Christi aus Virginia, von eine Ami der mehere jahr dort gelebt habe, und sogar als mietgleid beim Weilnachtsschuetzen war....und als ich mehr mals dort waren und gemerkt habe das es nie gut gehen kann das irgand wann mal doch wuerde es ruenter kommen und was wurde aus deises historische gebaude - nur schrot...und  --- der schock kompt und i kann nur sagen, das ich finde es sehr schade.


Es ist wirklich eine schande das sowas gemacht wuerde. Tja, und doch irgandwie ist es typisch Berchtesgadenisch gell..


How many times have I worked there, drank beer there, went swimming at night, ran thought the halls half naked, doing what most young men do at that age, and from 1972 until 1995, I can't count the times I've went in there and had fun...and unfortunately,  now those memories are just history. but no one can erase the memories... .


Machts guet dirndl, Servus und Auf Weidersehen....


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I went to Berchtesgaden two weeks ago to show some friends where I lived for 10 years back in the 80's and much to my horror the Hof was being demolished right before my eyes.  I could see all of us around the pool all summer long for so many years and the pool was now filled with dirt.  What an awful experience.  I think it would have been better not to see it until it is gone completely.  But I saw the Gen. Walker going down too and that was shocking as well.  Dave and I live in Garmisch now and although it is a lovely place, nothing compares with Berchtesgaden.  Of course, the stars and moons were all perfectly aligned then, and we were the chosen few who lived in the center of the universe.  That was back when Chiemsee was still a fun place to be - where the employees all partied together!  Happy holidays to everyone! -  Bobbie Oakland
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Mike! Where you a life guard at the Hof in '73? You must remember me b/c I spent most of my time in the pool. Some of the life guards were so nice, pulling lil' pudgy me around in the life saver w/a rope attached.


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OMG, Bobbie...I could not stand the site of that! It was shocking for me to see the 'Baustelle' when the Walker was torn down which was extremely difficult to handle....but w/the Hof it is different. Last time I went in there was in 2000. I wandered from the main desk up to the Wahlheim, my old room, my parent's apartment and just cried. I knew then that it was good bye and like you my mind was flooded w/memories. Gosh, we were really lucky to have lived there and perhaps we were the center of the universe, unbeknownst to us at the time.


Merry Christmas Frohe Weihnachten to everybody here! This is a wonderful way to stay in touch and reconnect.


God Bless!


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The Hof was were I meet my first girlfriend in Berchtesgaden while I was a TDYer. It was where I got my first job as a civilian. Yeah it it was where I got my career started as a world famous dishwasher , which lasted until I became world famous as the worst waiter ever!
Everyone else that worked as a waiter, or waitress wanted as many tables as they could get and I refused moe then four tables.
Even four tables was more then I could do well.
On the first or second night as a waiter somebody ordered a flambea which I never did before. i didn't have a clue. The Head Waiter just told me to watch somebody so I did. they guy put a little sherry in the plate and lit it. The people said oh! The next waiter put more sherry in and lit it and the people said, "OH!". I just poured a bunch of sherry in, and then I poured a bunch more in. If you are doingthis with no experience, when you have poured so much in that people shift back from the table you have just past the way too much point.
When I put the match to the Sherry, a fire ball rolled up and scortched the cieling! I had no idea that was even possible! Afterwards the sortch mark made it easier to figure out where to place the table.
It was at the Hof where a customer left a dime on a table that I was bussing one morning. I picked up the dime and said. "Sir you forgot your dime!" The guy moved faster towards the door, through the bar. "SIR! Your DIME! You forgot your DIME!" The moved evan faster! by the time he was at the front deck heading for the door it was looking like a speed walking contest. I stuck my hea out the door , "SIR I'LL JUST LEAVE YOUR DIME AT THE FRONT DESK, YOU CAN PICK IT UP WHEN YOU COME BACK!"
There was a guy that wasn't staying at the Hof was staying out in Loipl. He had been then when he was a younger officer. His wife was trying to get him to diet so every day he would get up and she thought he was going cross country, which he did till he got to the road and then would do the airborne shuffle doen to hae the breakfast buffet at the Hof. After he ate he would jog back to his skis and show up back where he was staying and his wife would give him a Coninental breakfast. Often in the evenings he would come back and I would drink a Hefe with him and we would talk about all kinds of things.
By that point I was working again in Ski Issue at Skytop which was where I had met him and the family. Interesting guy, didn't strick me as most officers did. Years later when I was sitting in a little studio unit of Seattle's Capitol Hill I whiched that same Officier as he, Stormin' Norman briefed the press on how he was handlingthe first Gulf War.
The Hof was where I got my first room as an employee. It was upstairs with all the Turks. Entire families in a single room.
My frst room was so small that I could open the door, open and close the lone window in the cieling, get a drink from the sink and check the clothes in the closet, go through the entire record colection I had and never get out of the bed. Now that was a small room, yet Miss Sweeney and I spent a lot of time in the little space and both of us being almost the same height.
There was the Piano that was said to have been Goring's.
For a kid from Iowa it just didn't seem to be real
The Grumpus and the Buttenmandl walked by the Hof and I saw something I realy couldn't believe that I saw them.
It has indeed been the death of an Icon but it will always live in the memories of those of us who lived there and those who visited there and had the times of thier lives.

Joe P.
Seattle Today. Berchtesgaden at one time, long ago in Iowa.
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Jutta,


I worked on the tennis courts at the General Walker.  It was not a bad gig playing tennis with general's daughters, seeeping clay courts and looking up at the Eagle's Nest.  I used to hang out at the Hof pool on my days off.  Some of my friends who were lifeguards were Pat Neal and Bill Grodevant.  Bill was an excellent diver from Wisconsin and Pat was from Cincinnati,  maybe you remember them.  Just about everybody had a moustache back then, trying to look like Mark Spitz.


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Hi Mike! I surely remember Bill diving off the the platform and always getting cheers from the ladies. He always  made it known when he was about to jump and enjoyed the attention. Pat I think was clean shaven and did not have a moustache..but heck, that's so long ago and I was a little girl then. Are you still in touch w/them? I'm certain we met if you spent time at the pool. What a great assignment to be playing tennis w/the General's daughter or being a life guard.


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